I have received some comments from Micky in Australia who refers to the "12 steps down to hell". He also labels recovery as "a slow slide into the jaws of Satan". Provocative rants from a former member of 30 years who has now found salvation through the Bible and church.
I'm not a Big Book thumper or view AA as a cult. The steps are merely guides and the slogans suggestions.
Our approach to Recovery combines these 12 Step methods with practical mental and emotional behavior modification. We do not believe in putting total reliance on ANY book written by man; be it Big Book or the Bible. Recovery is not meant to be a substitute for religion. For us it is a way of living honestly, and contented with our station in life; without the use of mind altering substances.
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Fireman John Said
We do not believe in putting total reliance on ANY book written by man; be it Big Book or the Bible.
Micky Said:
James H. -- "Elder of the Tribe"
James is a recovered alcoholic, which is the term used by Bill Wilson, Dr. Bob Smith and the A.A. pioneers. The word can be found seventeen times in the first 164 pages of the "Big Book." In addition, James sometimes refers to himself as an ex-alcoholic. This expression was used in the first ten printings of the first edition of the "Big Book." In 1947, "ex-alcoholic" was changed to "ex-problem drinker”. James does not identify himself as an alcoholic from the podium. Here again he follows the precedent set by Bill Wilson, Dr. Bob Smith and the A.A. pioneers. Neither Bill nor Dr. Bob ever identified themselves as alcoholics when speaking at A.A. meetings. To verify this all you have to do is listen to the audio tape recordings of their speeches. The ritual of identifying oneself as an alcoholic, followed by a chant from the audience of "Hi _______," also came from the treatment centres decades after the fellowship came into being. It is not a part of the "original" A.A. program. Is James H. a recovering alcoholic? No! James H., Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob Smith all had drinking problems, which they overcame in the Oxford Group as the direct result of taking the Four Steps of Surrender, Sharing, Restitution, and Guidance. Since December 12, 1934, James has been a recovered alcoholic or ex-alcoholic. The treatment centers continue the work of Satan and his demons - Bill Wilson, Oxford Group, et al. Have you noticed, that there is no mention of Jesus Christ. The FOUR STEPS, like the 12 STEPS, are SATANIC because JESUS CHRIST doesn’t come into the equation. There is only one way to SALVATION: John 3:16 - King James Version
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. I suggest you get down on your knees, Fireman John, and ask Jesus Christ to forgive you, and have mercy on your soul.
PEACE BE WITH YOU
MICKY
Fireman John Said:
I have received some comments from Micky in Australia who refers to the "12 steps down to hell". He also labels recovery as "a slow slide into the jaws of Satan". Provocative rants from a former member of 30 years who has now found salvation through the Bible and church.
Micky Said:
Greetings John
I felt some pain when I read your comments. I imagine you were RAGING over your fear, pain and shame. You are a TERRIFIED, "little boy", who wants his MOMMY (AA). Do you believe that Jesus Christ died on a cross for your sins, Johnny? Three years ago I was wandering around [mental hospital] completely shattered physically, emotionally and spiritually. The mental torment I was experiencing was absolutely terrifying. Every waking second, I was having horrifying images from my past. I thought I was being punished for my past sins. My whole life flashed before my eyes and I felt I had failed miserably in my journey through life. The whole experience was an awakening [THE LONG DARK NIGHT OF THE SOUL] a metamorphosis. God was slowly penetrating the shield I had put up all those desperate years. I had no “I” - that is what God wanted for me, to become Christ cantered, not “I” cantered [in retrospect]. There is nothing in this world, but the saving grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. He eventually delivered me from my HELL; when I got down on my knees and asked Him for mercy and forgiveness for my sins. Praise the LORD!! Are you a 12 Step DEMON, Johnny? Are you in HELL. Jack? Were you FROTHING at the mouth, when you posted your DIATRIBE, John The Fireman? Are you an emotionally shutdown, cowardly, hissing, shape - shifting reptile, who is too TERRIFIED to face his DEMONS, Johno?? I love you, Johnny! Do you love me? I hope you are not a PSYCHOPATH, Jack? How do you feel, Johnny?
PEACE BE WITH YOU
MICKY
PEACE BE WITH YOU
MICKY
Micky,you are entitled to a full refund from the psych unit where you were treated. Save your disparaging, deluded commentary for someone who give a rats' ass.
Now I see the need for comment approval.
You are a wingnut who need some serious help.
Perhaps there is a chapter in the bible that addresses mental illness...good luck
a round of applause to you for your comments to micky. but i don't think he gets it.... he's been around everywhere and is like an annoying child who just won't go away. hasn't he heard of live and let live????? thanks for speaking up in your post too.
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